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Green Lantern 2814
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posted March 18, 2003 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Green Lantern 2814   Click Here to Email Green Lantern 2814        Reply w/Quote

I couldn't take it anymore...
Against my plans to get on Amazon.com...
I couldn't wait...

I.. I... I HAD to do it!!! I SWEAR!

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I went by my comic shop before work today and picked up the Aquaman vol. 1 Archive.
50.00 is damned expensive, but I can still make ends meet after buying it and it really looked nice.

Man, you guys sold me hook, line, and sinker!

Matt

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DWM
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posted March 19, 2003 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DWM   Click Here to Email DWM        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Green Lantern 2814:
I went by my comic shop before work today and picked up the Aquaman vol. 1 Archive.
50.00 is damned expensive, but I can still make ends meet after buying it and it really looked nice.

Man, you guys sold me hook, line, and sinker!


Ba dump bump! Cuz it's Aquaman. I get it.

I'm not really one to endorse paying full price. But if you had to, then you picked the right title. Aquaman is my favorite Archive; stories and art are just awesome.

Have fun with it.

- David

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IndianaBoo
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posted March 19, 2003 01:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndianaBoo   Click Here to Email IndianaBoo        Reply w/Quote
Console yourself by thinking how much you would have spent on the two Showcase issues.

For Golden Age Aquaman (More Fun Comics) try microfiche like I (Don Powers) did.

MicroComics Inc.
PO Box 243
Ridgewood, NJ 07451
1-800-666-4054
201-445-3450
201-445-2924 (fax)
arah@aol.com (email)

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srca1941
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posted March 19, 2003 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for srca1941   Click Here to Email srca1941        Reply w/Quote
Don't feel too bad Matt, I couldn't wait and paid full price for it too. (Though my store was SUPPOSED to give me a 10% discount $^%$%#&*...) Still, it was worth every cent.

-Steve

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James Friel
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posted March 19, 2003 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
Do you have a connection with this company, Don?
Your posts read a lot like advertising.

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Joe Pacheco
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posted March 19, 2003 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joe Pacheco   Click Here to Email Joe Pacheco        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by James Friel:
Do you have a connection with this company, Don?
Your posts read a lot like advertising.

If it is, it's the most on-target advertising I've seen in a long time.

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James Friel
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posted March 19, 2003 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
Agreed. And I'm not objecting--I'd just like to know who's speaking.

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IndianaBoo
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posted March 19, 2003 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndianaBoo   Click Here to Email IndianaBoo        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by James Friel:
Do you have a connection with this company, Don?
Your posts read a lot like advertising.

Nope, no connection to the business. Just want to keep them in business until I acquire all the microfiche I want. Why buy a World's Finest Batman Golden Age Archive alone when I also want the Superman and Zatara and Johnny Thunder stories too in those same issues?

And yes I already have the Batman/Superman solo World's Finest stories on microfiche while the rest of the world has to wait for the archives.

Just got Superman 1-50, Wonder Woman 11-25, and All-American 16-20 today.

If people want golden age, it is already out there. Just not in book format. I want people to be aware that the chances of getting a Boy Commandos or Crimson Avenger Archive are slim, but there is a chance to read those stories from Detective Comics.

My dream, in over 30 years collecting, was to have the chance to read every Marvel, Timely, and DC published. That dream became closer to reality when I discovered Microcomics about 6 years ago. I feel that even though I am just a customer, I should share this info with fellow collectors.

If interested, just check it out or wait 5-10 years to read Superman 50 in an archive or when DC decides to put them on CD-Rom and start all over. I will be reading my microfiche next month.

I am not receiving payment or discounts or any other compensation for my endorsements, in fact they do not know I am endorsing their product. My motives are to keep them in business and to provide others access to golden age material.

Upon review, I can see where you would have questions.

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vze2
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posted March 19, 2003 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vze2        Reply w/Quote
Can you give us an idea of how much this costs?

As I pointed out on another thread, newer microfiche machines enable you to convert fiche to a computer file. This should be legal as long as you don't distribute it or make a profit from it. You probably won't be able to afford one of these machines, but your local library might have one. Universities are likely to have these and might allow the general public to use them.

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IndianaBoo
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posted March 19, 2003 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndianaBoo   Click Here to Email IndianaBoo        Reply w/Quote
Contact Microcomics for their current prices. They are usually 5 issue sets, i.e. Action 1-5, Action 6-10. I usually buy their 15 (75 issues) set special for $520.00 (Paid over 4 months on my credit card).

They also sell microfiche machines. I bought one on E-bay. Most libraries have them, but not all of them, as I found out one day.

They borrow comics to film. Some issues film better than others.

6 years ago they had sent me a free sample. You can ask if they still do this.

If you want to read golden age features such as Zatara, Crimson Avenger, Slam Bradley, Americommando, etc. and can't afford golden age prices, then I recommend microfiche.

If you want to read only lead features (GA Batman/GA Superman/GA Flash, etc., then you might want to wait for their respective archives to be published.

Remember that the Golden Age of Comics did not always have the greatest stories or art. So spend your money wisely and on those things that will make you happy.

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DStepp
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posted March 19, 2003 11:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DStepp   Click Here to Email DStepp        Reply w/Quote
I also buy the fiche but it is as much a specialty product as the Archives. The Archives are readable and I support them unflinchingly. Also, some of the Archives (notably GA GL and Wonder Woman) have passed the fiche.

You can get the entire GA GL run, the entire Comic Cavalcade run and the most of the World's Finest run. You can also buy just the issues you want for $8/fiche with a minimum of 4 fiche. They quality is variable but generally readable. The big plus is that you get the Timely stuff which Marvel seems loathe to collect.

For what it's worth.

D.

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James Friel
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posted March 20, 2003 02:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
Groovy.
Thanks, all.

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Lee Semmens
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posted March 20, 2003 04:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lee Semmens        Reply w/Quote
Are the microfiches in color or black and white?

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Wayne1776
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posted March 20, 2003 05:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wayne1776   Click Here to Email Wayne1776        Reply w/Quote
Lee, The microfiches are in color. They are photographs of the actual comic books scars and all. I recommended them to those who are curious about them, and have access to a viewer.

I thought I had heard that DC pulled Micro- Color's rights so as not to compete with the Archives. I guess I was misinformed.

I have the complete All-Star Comics (1-57), and a set of Action Comics (21-25), Detective Comics (46-50), and Adventure Comics (103-107 and 123-127). The non-All-Star were the samples I bought to convince me to buy the All-Star run.
I have to admit that even though I enjoyed reading them at the local library, I quit buying them when I was sure DC was going to continue with the Archives. Last I bought was in 1993 (I think).
Did I buy the Adventure Comics 103 set because that is when Superboy began his run there? I don't remember, but it makes sense.

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Unknown Question
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posted March 20, 2003 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unknown Question        Reply w/Quote
But didnt they have on their website:

DC Comics - [NO LONGER AVAILABLE]


Or is that an out of date website?


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IndianaBoo
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posted March 20, 2003 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndianaBoo   Click Here to Email IndianaBoo        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Unknown Question:
But didnt they have on their website:

DC Comics - [NO LONGER AVAILABLE]


Or is that an out of date website?


The website is out of date and the listing of fiche has also grown from what is listed on their site. At one point years ago, they thought DC was not going to renew their licensing and thus they announced this in a letter to me and on the site, then I rushed to buy my Detective Comics fiche.

This was about three years ago. They keep sending me a list with DC on it and I keep buying them. Last Spring, they issued a supplemental list of additional DC books, not on their main list. I am still buying DC material and Tuesday I received another shipment of DC fiches.

If interested, send them an e-mail or a telephone call/letter requesting more info.

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CMCINTYRE3600
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posted March 20, 2003 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CMCINTYRE3600   Click Here to Email CMCINTYRE3600        Reply w/Quote
So, with the right equipment, you can scan these to computer? Wow. Right now I'm drooling imagining access to all these great GA comics, scaning them to computer, having them printed at Kinkos on nice paper, and then having them hard bound, making my own complete Detective or Adventure Archives.....

Of course, I'm pretty poor and can't even really afford to catch up on the Archives already in print..., but it's sure nice to dream!
Chris

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BillNolan
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posted March 20, 2003 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BillNolan   Click Here to Email BillNolan        Reply w/Quote
My fellow fiche-fanatics speak the truth.

Microfiche=good.

Of course, I am literally several hundred microfiche behind in my reading, yet I still keep getting more... I guess it's sort of an addiction. I like having the fiche on hand so that I can definitely read them some day when I get a chance. You never know when they won't be available any more...

And it really is pretty much the only way to get nice runs of Timely and MLJ stuff to read.

My only problem with some of the microfiche has been the company's inability to open certain bound volumes or squarebound books far enough when photographing the comics. Sometimes a bit of the comic is completely lost in the middle binding. Makes reading the stories problematic when you have to guess what the missing words in word balloons are. This was a big problem with the Black Hood microfiche sets, if I remember correctly.

- Bill

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BillNolan
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posted March 20, 2003 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BillNolan   Click Here to Email BillNolan        Reply w/Quote
As for scanning the microfiche, you can't really do it with the home scanners available on the market. I bought a new scanner once with a transparency adapter, but the resolution is nowhere near what is needed to reproduce comic pages which are shrunk to about an inch in height on the microfiche. You need some high-priced gizmo known as a drum scanner to do it, I think.

- Bill

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CMCINTYRE3600
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posted March 20, 2003 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CMCINTYRE3600   Click Here to Email CMCINTYRE3600        Reply w/Quote
Well, I only live 5 minutes away from Rutgers University, which has the largest library system in the state of New Jersey. I'm sure they've got something up to the task somewhere on campus. Have to ask around. I'm sure some of my old professors in the History dept would know.
Chris

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Steve Topper
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posted March 20, 2003 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Topper   Click Here to Email Steve Topper        Reply w/Quote
I've actually looked into the possibility of scanning the microfiche and was discouraged with what I found. Current home scanners cannot scan the microfiche into any semblance of a readable form.

I looked into an actual microfiche scanner and about choked on the cost. Cheapest unit started around $10,000 and went quickly up from there. I asked the company representative about who buys those things and was told mostly college libraries and such.

So Chris should be able to go to the Rutgers library and scan them. He might have to be a student there as Ohio State has these type of scanners but limit their use to students and faculty.

Steve

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CMCINTYRE3600
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posted March 20, 2003 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CMCINTYRE3600   Click Here to Email CMCINTYRE3600        Reply w/Quote
Well, I just graduated last year and still have my ID...
Chris

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vze2
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posted March 20, 2003 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vze2        Reply w/Quote
Rutgers has what you need. This school is featured in a Canon video. I will be shocked if anyone here can afford one of these machines. You need to go to a library.

I suspect that most university libraries will have these machines in the next 10 years, probably much sooner. If you aren't allowed in the door, try to find the appropriate high-ranking librarian (something like Head of Public Services not Reference Librarian) and politely discuss the situation. I'm not saying this will work, but you might be suprised.

I haven't used one of these machines yet, but I think you can clean up the images before saving. However, I suspect that it takes a lot of practice to do a good job.

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posted March 20, 2003 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silveragesuperfan   Click Here to Email silveragesuperfan        Reply w/Quote
I don't find the microfische reading experience that much different than reading it on computer.

I have also experienced a little variance in quality with the microfische but have been satisfied with most purchases. So far the GA Sub-Mariner (which I would be shocked to ever see from Marvel in book form) was especially nice. Strange Tales varried in quality but was worth the variance to read. Yellow Claw also...

I prefer to hold a book (archive) in my hands, but I do love the exact photo of the comic itself with all ads and other features besides the lead intact.

If they had "fisched" SA Superman I would own them by now.

In short, I highly reccomend the micorofische experience.

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DStepp
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posted March 20, 2003 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DStepp   Click Here to Email DStepp        Reply w/Quote
While I also subscribe to fiche, I feel compelled to point out that unless you like the ads or the minor characters, they are not that big a savings over the Archives, esp when you factor in the cost of a reader or a repeated trip to the library.

That said, they are a good buy if you are afficianado and just want to read them. Visit the site in the sig if you want to pick and choose the ones you read. I prefer that to buying the whole stash at once.

D.

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Web-Master of:

The Comics Archives - The Source of Record of Golden Age DC
http://www.execpc.com/~icicle/main.html

The Comics Archives II - A significant repository of Silver Age information
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/6680/Archives/main2.html

The DC Archives Home Page - A resource for DC's Archive Editions
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dstepp14/DCArchives.htm

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